Butch-rugged handsome and nerve-rattling raunchy, foul-mouthed fuck machine Jon Vincent was the Barbra Streisand of queer porn: Always the center, larger than life and fueled by a self-loving vulgarity that made his performances Legend. Like Streisand, Vincent never allowed himself to just “play a role,” he was too intent on topping — and stopping — the show.
His mix of gay for pay ingredients was crazy-making and classic: “Straight,” married and a father — Vincent was a professional baseball player turned competitive bodybuilder who decided to hustle and make porn as something fun to do on the side — and to support his nascent drug habit. His on-set verbal pyrotechnics, merciless ass-poundings and danger-level testosterone made him neon and golden within the grindingly boring world of faked butchness queer porn. It didn’t hurt that he developed a reputation for off camera aggressiveness too, striking terror into mild-mannered co-stars and easy-going directors. Vincent was an unruly handful — and we loved him for it.
Critic Gary Giddins wrote: “Vulgarity has its place, but only when animated by emotional generosity.” Vincent was no emotional cheapskate. He pumped heartfelt excitement and buckets of sweat into even the most dullard couplings. And god help the actors he actually clicked with — couches were destroyed, buttholes decimated, all for the sake of his art. To date, a small collection of his fierce topping scenes are still discussed with minute, breathy veneration on queer message boards and forums all across the net. Everyone seems to have his favorite Jon Vincent “moment.”
By the time of Vincent’s death, in May of 2000, a distinct fissure appeared within the gay adult video world — factions were clearly defined, markets clearly divided. In the new century hardcore was either Above or Underground. The former offered manicured, managed, nearly arid safe-sex porn productions, the later everything Dionysian and dangerous: A cottage industry of hand held-cameras, “real” man-man sex within the wet-hot, back room world of barebacking, cum-eating and fisting — with everything from fists to bald heads and traffic cones.
Our 4 Favorite Jon Vincent Moments
4. Topping Joey Stefano in Falcon’s Revenge.
3. Busting open Danny Sommers in Vivid’s Blue Collar/White Heat.
2. The wild reaming of Rob Cryston in Catalina’s The Bite.
1. The frightening, near-splitting in-half of Matt Gunther in In Hand’s Deep Inside John Vincent.
Like Hades, Vincent could have easily traversed both of these worlds. His hyper-masculinity was intrinsic and theatric. The very best sort of combo. Vincent was dangerous wearing a condom — before barebacking was even a post-AIDS concept. He brought the unfettered, risk-taking spirit of underground porn to the late 80s and mid-90s masses. Today, no amount of leathering or tattooing or piercing or stud-bluffing can mimic what Vincent offered in the simple act of being naked and nasty and fucking someone’s ass until he saw Jesus. For that reason he represents the very last moment within queer porn when a seemingly straight guy could venture before the cameras and really make us believe in the power of domination or joy of submission. Where others fake it, Jon Vincent made it, was it, owned it, rode it and worked it.
You know it, bitch!
The rest is sad and all about The Wane. Placed within the context of dead porn stars, his history in gay and bi-sex videos reads like just another stumbling, charisma-draining happening — not the wild thrusts and banging crescendos of Jon Vincent Superstar grabbing a young Faunlet by the haunches and taking him (and us) higher — NOW! Of that he gave us nearly 10 years worth of thrills. I suppose it’s not right to grumble.
He was born Jeffrey James Vickers in New Orleans on December 17, 1962. At twenty he was signed to play baseball with the Kansas City Royals, but a coke-related bust, a year later, had him fired, in shock and psychologically wounded. He told a reporter that his debacle had broken his father’s heart. From there it was on to competitive bodybuilding and queer porn. Drugs came calling — and then rehab — and then more drugs — and then, on May 3, 2000, after successfully auditioning for the part of an ex-con in the New York production of Ten Naked Men, Vincent was found dead on his kitchen floor. The coroner ruled his death a suicide because gobs of undigested Valium were discovered in his stomach. Long-time friends claim it was just John celebrating too hard. An accidental heroin overload.
His director and friend Dino Colbert told Adult Video News shortly after his death:
“I was truly one of the few [directors who] could handle his short attention span and temper. He didn’t hesitate to put his fist through a wall or terrorize a director or two. And his scene partners had to be forewarned that he might grab their hair and pound them against a headboard or a wall…He was the most intense model I’ve ever worked with.”
And the most intense star we ever imagined playing with.
Jon Vincent proved that nasty, aggressive sex is both a profoundly exciting pornographic spectacle and a metaphoric representation of transformation and self-discovery. Watching Vincent bellow, growl and fuck was like taking a private, self-administered lie detector test. One had to ask: “Am I having that much fun? And if not, why?” For his nearly cartoonish masculine fervor, feral dirty-talk, and making us secretly wonder — while stroking our meat — we’ll be eternally grateful.
Our 10 Favorite Jon Vincent Dirty-Talking Lines
10. Yeah, suck it good — let it talk to ya baby.
9. This is no dream baby, this is happening.
8. Let it breathe a second — and then go back down on it.
7. I’m gonna drive that juice up into ya baby.
6. I just don’t know how nasty I can get.
5. I’m gonna pop that back wall baby.
4. You love getting your ass sprung. Let me feel it inside your stomach.
3. I gotta go in baby, yeah, I gotta go in. It’s mine and I’m gonna take it.
2. Oh you little bitch. You like that penetration. Oh daddy likes fucking you, you little bitch.
1. Let me go in deep. Here it comes baby. There it is. Doing damage baby, it’s doing damage.
A Thousand and One Night Stands: The Life of Jon Vincent by H. A. Carson.
Several years ago there was mention of a documentary in the making, titled The Jon Vincent Story, but we haven’t heard much more about it since.
Wow!
I would have easily paid thousands of dollars, just to have Jon plug my ass. No one, and I mean NO ONE could work an asshole over like Jon. Thanks for this great piece. It’s nice to see him get his due.
Where can you find these videos?
No one before or since made/make porn as erotic with a simple “daddy’s gonna fuck you” whisper in the ear. Although most of today’s porn does the required trick, a Vincent movie still sends shivers throughout and like old faithful, fufills the “verbal abuse/daddy’s boy” fantasy for this 49 year old “geezer” to this day.
I LOVE YOUR WEB SITE
I had the amazing experience of seeing Jon Vincent live at the Show Palace in New York in 1991. He looked incredible,huge, much bigger and more handsome than in his photos or videos. I sat in the front row and was too shy to j/o in public but as a result I have the indelible memory of John saying to me “take out your cock, baby, it feels good, let me drop a load on your lap.” He came in wearing just a towel and ripped it off before he even got on the stage. Favorite video scene–”Rassle,” last scene–”you wanna eat my ass? You dirty little pig!” I read “A Thousand One Night Stands,” brutally honest. Needed a good editor but in a way the choppy writing and repetition is very real, a true diary of the nightmare of being hooked on drugs. There has never been, never will be, a porn star like Jeff Vickers/Jon Vincent. Rest in peace JV.
I grew up down the street from Jeff Vickers/Jon Vincent in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He was 2 years older than me and used to bully me when I visited his next door neighbor who was my friend. He was always very aggressive, which totally turned me on. I can remember fatasizing about him while I jacked off in junior high and high school. I lost contact with him until I ran into him after I moved to New York. A few weeks later I saw him in a porn video and almost had a heart attack. I saw him often in NYC, but I never did get to reintroduce myself to him before he ended up dead. Strangely enough, he is buried in the same mausoleum as my grandmother, and I still am reminded of him when I go to pay my respects to her.
Men making love turn me on. Two summers ago, I got up the nerve and stopped into a local video store one afternoon coz I wanted to see a gay video. I grabbed the first video from the gay section off the shelf and hurried out the door of that sleazy back room coz I was embarassed to be there…I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt and this particular store is situated between two very prominent churches!!! Of course the video I had grabbed was HEAVENLY !!! (TRUE STORY !!!) WAS I EVER IN FOR A TREAT! THE FIRST GAY SEX VIDEO I GET MY GRUBBY LITTLE HANDS ON WAS THE BEST GAY PORN STAR THAT EVER LIVED. Needless to say, I was very aroused and I climaxed during the fireplace scene, listening to his voice as he pounded away at his lover, watching his beautiful body work out in the most erotic way! After the video ended I rewound it quickly to see the credits to try and figure out who the luscious babe was…JON VINCENT. I quickly did an internet search and sadly found out he’d passed from this world just 3 years earlier. How heart-wrenching to find out in his book that he was so tormented and addicted…he died a broken-down soul. Alone. WASTED. NOBODY DESERVES THAT. HE BROUGHT ALOT OF JOY AND PLEASURE TO ALOT OF PEOPLE. I MISS HIM AS IF HE HAD BEEN A PART OF ME.
My last name is Vincent, when I saw my first Jon Vincent movie it many years ago and it was called Hunk it was a real treat for me, I had my first apartment and my first gay movie that I got from a video/bookstore not far from where I was living in another town. I always dreamed he was like my neighbor while watching the movie, it was really the best eye opener of gay movies. I dont have the movie now it got worn out from all the times I watched it, but the memories he left through me were the best.
I hope where ever he is, his soul will touch mine each night and know he had guys who would’ve given him a life of love if he ever really searched.
I love sharing the last name, it really makes it one of a kind. God loves You, Jon
Your brother in Spirit
Terry
what can I say? the only movies porno that I saw that 100% captured, kept, made me wish I could transport myself into a film were his. fine, never think I saw him with a black male, dreamed of being the first..saddened to hear of his death…feel kinda creeped out still finding him overwhelmingly handsome…
Jon was awesome. Way sexy….!
I used to do fone sex with him. He was totaly into it. On a few occassions he was broke and need my cash fast. He said it was for his expensive high protein and supplement regime.
On 4 or 5 occassions I tape recorded our fonesex.
Its still sizzeling.
BILLY What I wouldn’t give for a listen to one of those recordings?!!
Yeah Billy. Why not post a few of those on a yahoo website for us to also enjoy.
Yes, we want to hear Jon’s sexy voice. Please….
You’re saying that I could post the sound recordings? Hhmmm……I think hat I would be willing bu thow do I do that? (OR are you suggesting that I transcribe?)
Billy
I also, like the rest of you loved seeing Jon in videos and it really hit me seeing this page dedicated to his life. death doesn’t scare me, just bothers me. I hope that somewhere, through it all, the drugs, porn and “acts/acting” that he was able to say, and truly mean, I’m one happy S.O.B.
Sorry to sound Oprah”ish” but I really hope he knew how loved he was, nude or not. Rest in peace! You really did succeed, whether you knew it or not, in the sport of life.
Ideas on getting you guys to hear the audio tapes?
Hi Billy, this is David K., the publisher of Nightcharm.
We’d be willing to post some of the audio for you, and serve it from our server, if you’d like to share some snippets of the recordings you have. You can contact me here: (link)
and let me know what you think.
Best,
David K.
Thats one huge fucking dick man who wouldnt want that up their ass i would never want to stop having sex with that huge fucking rod
there is no tape, the guy is a liar
I met Jon Vincent in West Hollywood years ago with his wife. I found him to be incredibly charming and fun. His wife was so sweet and obviously crazy about him. I asked her how she felt about him doing what he did. She told me that it didn’t bother her, he was never romantic with the men and he wasn’t allowed to screw other women on film or otherwise. I asked her if she feared him liking what he was doing in film too much and she said she didn’t. She said that she knew him well and for many reasons, she knew he could and would never “settle down” with a man. I found them to be quite a fascinating couple and am so sorry that I will never have the pleasure of seeing them again. I am even more sorry that neither of them will never know how impressed I was with them as people and a couple. I knew he was handing out his cell # to guys that night, but I also knew she was right and that he loved her more than any short term pleasure they could bring him.
I am jeff’s first cousin. Want to see a picture of him as a teenager i have all kinds. I miss him every day of my life. He was my buddy.
for mimi: if we can’t hear his voice at least send us the pix of him as a teenager please
i am a 40 yr old (#1 JEFF VICKER’S FAN!!!)native of baton rouge, la., jeff’s hometown. we did everything together growing up. sports at the same high school: “The Bucs” Broadmoor HS Goodwood Blvd. BR, La.(I know all of you want to see him in a high school baseball uniform…too bad, queens, y’all don’t know ANYTHING about “The Vick” go jack your shit to someone else b/c my brotha’ was not into any of that bullshit!!! think about it for two seconds and get off my boy’s jock, please!!! it was all for the $$$$ for the dope you ALL know he fought and FOUGHT with so, if y’all really, really loved him so much, why didn’t any of you help my poor lost friend. I was locked up on a 15yr dope charge myself and the only info ANYBODY would give me was Jeff was DIRECTING STRAIGHT PORN!! I would have broke out to save him from you bunch of fuckin’ queen ass fuckin’ bitches(you want to get fucked in the ass? call me! you won’t be able to talk again to call anybody after I beat that bung hole up, remember I learned to hate and abuse queens from the best, I do everything just like he would just for his rememberance and respect he still gets from the real people who knew him) we all get lost at some point and time, I know I ceartainly did and STILL do!), trained together for bodybuilding after his baseball and my football career ended and we both went back to BR to “run that bitch”! So, if there are some true JEFF VICKER’S fans and NOT just a bunch of want to be butt pounded fags, give big joe a shout and you’ll really “Trip on the Vick..”(just one of a million sayings, quotes, phrases, pictures and story after story) RIP my brotha’ I know you’re up there with your Dad, “Stan the man with the Plan” looking down on your little brother and #1 fan Paul “Sweet P” Vickers, your beautiful Mother who sold me my first steriod cycle and pronounced DECA, decker! And I KNOW, I JUST KNOW you see that Handsome Strapper of a Man, your son, Jamie, what a chip off the old block, made you a grandfather and everything, just like we did to Stan & my Dad…Ha! Don’t worry Vick, I’m letting everybody that asks me know the real story, hey…at least they’re STILL talking, you always knew how to keep them doing that!!! See you on the other side, save that bench press with 405lbs on it for me like you use to! You know I’m always late but, I ALWAYS show and that’s just another of your precious things I’ll take with me!! “Pull ya’ shit, and let’em ALL trip on “THE BACK” (he refered to his body parts like they were the only one in the world! “THE CHEST”, “THE WHEELS”… PS. To all queens: we trained at Foxy’s in Baton Rouge if y’all want to go see if you can still smell our balls!
HEY, GREAT NEWS….JON VINCENT HAS BEEN REINCARNATED!!
TRENT COUGAR IS BY ALL QUALITIES…THE CURRENT BLOND VERSION OF VINCENT….HIS LATEST VID HELLROOM PROVES HIS ABILITIES…..
I”m his son and for all fags I hate every one of u. thats why I get a kick out of fucking youll up every time i see one one the street you are all weak punks
jeffrey — another whackjob with an internet connection
I am the wife of jeff’s son and the mother of his grandson. What you faggs are doing is digusting and immoral you should be ashamed of yourself. We know who all of you are and all of you are going to pay for this one day. Jeff has a beautiful grandson and it upsets me to think that you butt pluggers are talking like this about his grandfather. If you were a true friend of fan of jeff you would stop posting all of these horrible things about him. we do not want our son growing up hearing all of this not to mention the hurt that you are putting jeff’s son through saying all of these things. Imagine if that was your dad. How would you feel but don’t worry there is a safe place in HELL for all of you for pulling apart our family. Jeff would have never have wanted his son or grandson to remember him this way. Jaime truly loves his father with all of his heart despite all of the things he did in desperation of an addiction. Don’t ruin his life because all of this is truly crushed him and I know that Jeff is looking down right now ready to beat the fuck out of all of you for putting his son and grandson through this.
Quaint isn’t it how these sad fag-haters just can’t accept how a handsome stud like Jon could ever get into gay sex. Whether he was predominantly straight or gay, he obviously got off on it and thanks be that he did. He died a legend.
It’s also an established fact that guys (and women) with these attitudes are also pretty disfuntional in their straight sex world. But god knows what sort of kick they get from writing such inane rubbish. They really are very, very sad individuals.
i am in love
“You know you want it, You wanna touch it, You wanna taste it, You wanna take it.”
Ride the mind way baby. Long life the KULT. My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult.
- Miss Vixen
well, he was my favorite, feels creepy to still call him so, with his being deceased. seemed quite the man, all top, that fantasy guy who sees you looking and second he gets you to himself will really give it to you for it. only porn star with a dick as compelling, with a presence as commanding, is fred fele. forgot what else he calls self now, but look into him. wish I coulda hooked with vincent though…
Does anyone know of any places on the web with Jon Vincent soundbites? Those dirty talk lines are funny as hell.
John was, stated simply, the best. I hired him three times to “take me to heaven”, while he was living in Los Angeles. He fucked me like a hungry animal and reminded me how good it is to be alive. I’m grateful to him for all he contributed to the industry and to “daddy-hungry” bottom boys like me.
you should show videos and movies! it should be HARDER!!! SEX!!!!!!!!
let it go, kay.
Yeah, she needs to let it go … get a life, dumb ho!
Jon, you sexy f*ck! I wish, like so many, that I could’ve been there to help you. I got clean and sober in 1996. I wish you could have made it too!
Kay, Jeffrey and “Big Joe” are obviously still in a lot of pain over Jon’s death, which is certainly understandable, as they obviously loved him. But it is ludicrous to hate gay men for purchasing and enjoying his numerous videos. To imply that his many gay fans are in some way responsible for his death is lunacy! We all must live with our choices: He made a CHOICE to exploit his body for profit in gay films; he made a choice to take drugs - nobody made him do it! Lots of people want to make a good living, and they don’t make porn. He could have made money w/o causing his family distress if he had truly wanted to. No one forced him to have sex for money on film. If his judgment was faulty, who is to blame? When a person puts himself out there in such a provocative way, for public consumption, people are going to write about it and talk about it. This isn’t Iraq, people have the right to say and think what they think. I happen to think you are misguided and in denial.
Who the hell are you to judge homosexuals, anyway? No doubt many straight homophobes would say Jon/Jeff (whatever) got what he deserved, that he lived an immoral life, and paid the consequences. The common term for someone who accepts money for sex is “prostitute,” so your moralizing is puzzling and misplaced. He alone is responsible for the pain you feel. He had to know somewhere in his mind that his son would come to know the things his father did for money, so your righteousness and aggressive hatred is a pathetic way to honor his memory! Countless EDUCATED people, gay and straight, would take offense to your reference to “faggs,” which somebody doesn’t even know how to spell. You have no right to dictate the behavior of other people. There have been gay people since the beginning of time and your hate-mongering isn’t going to change that. And if you go around “beating up fags” you’ll end up jail for assault, and rightfully so. I would advise you to keep it on the down-low and exhibit some self-respect and restraint! You are obviously embarrassed and ashamed but you aren’t responsible for what he did. Perhaps you feel guilty for not intervening? Now that his nightmare is over, perhaps he would want you to show a little class, if you’re capable.
I sincerely hope that you can find a way to put it all in the past and go on with your lives and try to be happy in “the now.” I shudder to think what a world we would live in if everyone employed the “logic” you exhibited when you posted your messages to this website. As if they were any classier than graphic comments about Jon’s anatomy or sexual exploits made by other folks. Congrats to you for simply adding to the overwhelming amount of hate present in the world today. I hope it made you feel better; it made me want to HURL!
Anybody can say they’re anyone on the net. I doubt the bitch is even related to JV.
unfortunately i just found out who Jon Vincent was 2 weeks ago. He is the most amazing, handsome man, i have ever seen. I purchased two dvd’s. Take my advice, don’t buy Deep inside Jon vincent. It’s mostly other guys, not much of him. No Top guy in porn will ever even come close to filling his shoes….He had it all.like some one said, he really did succeed, maybe he didnt realize it.. Guys who love seeing a guy get fucked by a dominant top…will rediscover him for years to come.
I actually managed a meeting with Mr. Vincent in the mid-to-late 90s. He seemed very sweet to me, trying to play tough guy at the time. I described it as being with Mike Meyers in the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Who knew he had this other side…which is not to say that he wasn’t DEFINITELY on top! He described himself as a “tragic top,” and wanted to play a kind of semi-rape scene. Believe me, I didn’t argue.
I had no idea about his personal demons at the time, and was sorry to hear about his OD and other personal troubles. It’s terribly sad, and I feel bad that I may have somehow contributed to his demise.
They don’t make ‘em like that anymore, sad to say…
You guys don’t really believe those sad, demented people above truly have any relation whatsoever to Jon ? They’re just a couple of whackjobs with time to burn.
Let’s face it, and put yourselves in the shoes of members of his family for a second, what you’d need, and want, would be quiet, dignified grieving and *personal closure* for your dead loved ones who are now beyond any possible harm caused by past behaviour or mistakes. And i’m sure his son learned early on (likely the hard way, unfortunately) to cope with his family’s history like all of us in similar situations did (my mother was a prostitute although not a famous porn star, but there you go), as if you don’t you’ll end up fucking up your own life as well.
Passing on the blame to someone else for your/a loved one’s mistakes is so embedded in american life that we - in other parts of the world - often wonder what kind of twisted reality some people live in. Such behaviour and flawed thinking was IMHO created and now continuously encouraged by the massive number of lawyers - did i say vultures ? - trying to scrounge a living off the back of poor people by means of deferred/no win no fees policies.
In parts of the world were you pay your legal fees in full and upfront, you think very long and hard before suing someone; in such places passing on the blame onto somebody else is hardly ever experienced.
Learn to look into your hearts instead of your wallets, learn to stand up and take responsibility for your actions and their consequences, otherwise bash queers as much as you like, but a real man you ain’t.
It was my pleasure to meet Jeff (aka: Jon) in the last year of the 90’s in L.A. He was always my favorite porn actor growing up and when I saw his ad in a paper I thought …what the heck, call it a birthday present. I met Jeff at a place he was staying at , I think he was just flopping at a buddy’s place and got to business. In all honesty, as a top myself I had no idea what I really wanted from this and I was content with messing about a bit. Afterwards, Jeff asked me for a ride…I didnt realize it was to score drugs till later on. My memory of that evening is that on the way to some crappy apt in a bad neighborhood of downtown L.A. Jeff bought me a donut. All I could think was “wow” my favorite pornstar just bought me a bear claw. I ended up hanging out with Jeff a bunch after that, in a completely non sexual way. Going and spending time with him at the sleazy hotel he lived at in west hollywood…the one where Joey died a while earlier. I ended up doing a bunch of driving around for him, bringing him to a tricks place, to fuck, or to sell his underwear. I have to say, he was trully a nice as hell guy to me, he never did and drugs in front of me, he treated me well, we hung out, went to the gym a couple of times.Once when he had a trick at the motel room I went out to Dennys with two of his porn buddies and had breakfast
He seemed like he was trying to stop the drugs, it was only later on after I had lost touch with him and moved back to the east coast that I had heard of his death. I know the rep that he had, but I have to honestly say that I have fond memories of a really generous and kind guy. I wish I had gotten to say goodbye.
One other thing I forgot (seeing the previous post reminded me). Jon (aka Jeff) was on his way to some kind event that night — it was around the time of Madonna’s “Erotica,” and he said she was very supportive/interested in porn stars. It was cold out, and he was wearing a fuchsia GAP turtleneck. He asked me if he could trade it for a t-shirt, something that would “show off his muscles.” I looked through my collection, and gave him one that had Fire Island emblazoned on it. He (of course) looked STUNNING in it — loads better than it ever looked on my slim (I’m being charitable to myself) body. I still have his turtle neck.
He was sweet — I remember that when I told him that I had specifically requested (he had some kind of intermediary handling his appointments) to meet with him, he hugged me and said “AWWWWW.” I don’t know if he was genuinely touched, but he made it sound like it. I had a chance to get together the next day, but he called so early in the morning, I was somewhat incoherent so it didn’t happen. I called him one more time whe he was in NYC and he sounded different — kind of abrupt and unfriendly. It might have been a bad time for him, but I decided not to call him back…alas. It was only recently that I did a Google search and found out that he had died of an overdose (either purposeful or accidental), and had a major drug problem. Hee looked SO healthy, I would never have guessed. So sad…
P.S.: I know Jon (Jeff) was married, but did he even have kids, let alone grandchildren? He was four years younger than I, which means it’s theoretically possible, but it would practically have had to be a shotgun wedding….
i saw jon on the cover of Men Magazine a few years ago, so of course i bought it.
inside were fucking fantastic pics of him in leather, muscles rippling, mean looking face.
then i found out he OD’d … how very sad.
too bad he didn’t have a friend in the world to pull him out of his hell, cuz going thru that kind of thing alone is just that, pure hell.
rest in peace, daddy.
i’ll miss you.
To all of your reply. Yes, I am infact Jeff’s Daughter-in-law, I am married to his only son and I AM the mother of his only grandson. Personally I have nothing against gay people but, for you to understand my furry. To look at my husband and the hurt that he has went through with all of this is so hard for me to watch. No he did not know about the most of things that Jeff did in this carrer, his mother did a very good job of keeping this side of everything away from him. Only to his surprise to log on to this website and seeing all of this stuff about the man the he idolized more than anything else in this world. Try to imagine that feeling you may not understand because you are gay but just try. As i glance up I see a picture of my husband, Jeff and his brother it upsets me to see it. My husband and my son are carbon copies of Jeff. The way they talk, walk, and sometimes act. And could not look anymore like him besides all the muscles. I know that none of this is your fault, it is just very hard for us to think of raising our son around this secret that, may come back to haunt him and he may one day feel the pain that I have watched this family go through with this. And as a mother it is very painful to think that the bad mistakes and misjudgment of his grandfather may cause him hurt. I know that you are all fans of him and I respect that but, do you really think that jeff would have wanted his legacy carried on to his son or grandson as this. I understand writing run-in’s that you had with him but to graphically talk about him in this manner. and, i understand that is your opinion and your way of life. But, just stop and think about all of the lives that are affected by this ecspecially that small little boy and that grown man that have to go out in this world everyday, constantly having to let this go and constantly be reminded of his father’s mistakes only because people recognize him. I don’t really care if any of you don’t believe who I am but, If you would like to challenge me so be it. Just read the book it is all in there. Yes, Jeff was married three times and yes he does have a son he talks to him in the book. But, no he did not ever get a chance to meet his grandson. he was born much later. The book is quite compelling and is all from the mouth of Jeff himself, although hard to follow at times but some parts of this book came to a great ease to us in our struggle to go on past this and have a normal life.
Kay — or whoever you are — grow up! “Jon Vincent” was a porn persona; he’s not the same thing as the real man who played him. “Jon Vincent” was simply a fictional character in a series of gay porn movies. The real man you are talking about made his choices and was rewarded for them. Those choices, and their consequences, are none of your business.
The “Jon Vincent” of the porn loops doesn’t belong to you or his son, if in fact you are who you claim to be (why would his son be spending time on a gay porn site, by the way?) “Jon Vincent” belongs to his fans. The people he made love him.
Frankly, your sob stories seem too over-the-top to be real. If the man’s son doesn’t like reading about his father’s porn career, then HE SHOULDN’T READ ABOUT IT.
The rest of us can do what we want. Isn’t it time you moved past all this?
Let’s re-visit John Vincent’s alleged daughter-in-law’s first post in this thread to gain a little objectivity regarding her statement above, the one in which “Kay” writes: “I have nothing against gay people…”
Fair enough.
OK, now, back to “Kay’s” first post from some months ago, where she shows she’s “nothing against” the gays:
“What you faggs are doing is digusting and immoral…”
“We know who all of you are and all of you are going to pay for this one day.”
“…you butt pluggers are talking like this…”
“…don’t worry there is a safe place in HELL for all of you…”
“… Jeff is looking down right now ready to beat the fuck out of all of you…”
Right Kay, nothing against the gays. You’ve graduated high honors from the Fred Phelps school of Christian love.
Honey, rather than trawling gay porn sites I’d suggest spending that time in therapy to deal with your hatred, bigotry and homophobia. I shudder to think of the emotional environment your “child” is being reared in. What a nightmare.
Kay, isn’t it time you moved on and married one of Liza Minnelli’s ex-husbands? Freshen up your fantasy life, drop a few pounds, get a new pair of flip-flops, and start bitching about another celebrity you’re remotely related to (NOT!)
My goodness! That is real nice!
this site is better than a drink at the local bar. Lot’s of personality clashes, and very few instances of spell check censoring!!
I am Jon’s cousin’s, wife’s, best friend’s, sister’s uncle and I once landed in Baton Rouge airport which is the same airport I bet Jon once used. Even though I’m straight I just happened to be on a gay website and I’m appalled..APPALLED I SAY…at the depraved things you all are saying about this wonderful man. He needed the money, he did not enjoy any of that gay sex AT ALL. I’m gonna go watch Fox News now.
After reading the entire series of messages, I think that several strong points have been made on all sides. For many - Jon/Jeff’s death was a painful blow, and he will be missed. Some of us handle death, the legacy of those departed in several ways, and not always pleasant ways.
Generally it is not a good thing when gay men scorn the relationships of others, when many of us want the dignity of our relationships recognized. Members of Jeff’s family have expressed a great deal of pain in light of Jeff’s death. Death is painful and there is no way to sugar-coat it. There are so many different feelings at different times, but know one day it will be all aright.
Many of Jon’s fans “know him” through his gay video work - through the character Jon Vincent, a fictional person. Of course many other porn stars die in obsurity, leave the business never to be heard from again, or very sadly meet another fate. Jon left a bit of himself in his writing - something that most do not. Usually these folks have no actual impact on the lives of the performers, anymore than most TV-watchers impact the lives of TV-stars.
Some of Jon’s friends interacted with him in life, and may wonder what they could have done in a different way. Some questions just can not be answered. Cherish the memories since that’s all you have left of him.
Would there be such a long list of messages, if Jeff/Jon was not the person that he was? He affected more people than can be known, in more ways that can be known.
Mike
I knew Jon in the early nineties in Atlanta. I think he only visited here often (a couple of years in a row) and if my memory serves me right, I think it was only during the winter.
He was never very talkative and he was always very nice.
He was definitely gay, or bisexual; but I think he leaned more towards gay. His being gay or not gay was never a topic. I ran into him many times at the Atlanta Eagle on the weekend. [This was back in the days when Atlanta really lived-up to the popular title: "Hotlanta;" which is, sad to say, a thing of the distant past.]
At the time, the subject of his being a pornstar only came up once. [I wasn't anywhere near as well versed on gay video porn as I am now, I just mainly looked at magazines.] So I asked him once if he had ever done any posing in gay porn magazines. I qualified my question by saying that I had a magazine (I don’t remember which one at this point) that has a really hot guy in it that looks just like him. He hesitatingly said that he had done some modeling and shrugged it off and quickly changed the subject. I was so green about video porn that I didn’t make the connection in my head as to who he actually was until a few years later. Oh, the questions I would like to ask him now.
If I had known then what I know now, I probably would have avoided him. I was much younger, much more shy and much less experienced. I would probably have been incredibly intimidated. Looking back on it, I have the feeling that that is exactly what he was looking for. People who didn’t know him.
Ok, so you ask: Why did I say up front that I always thought he was gay? Answer: He was always looking for sex.
What kind of guys did he like?
Answer: guys who were smaller and very thin but not overly so, ummmmmm, like me. He also wanted bottoms only.
Next obvious question……that I don’t even have to type….
Answer: Yes, three or four times (over the period of about two years).
Next obvious question: Did I ever pay for it? God No, I wouldn’t have if I wanted to because I could never have afforded it at the time.
Did he ever talk dirty to me during sex? No, as I said above, he was never talkative and that was consistent during sex. I guess the dirty talk was all just an act. [What an actor!]
Did we do drugs together? Only once, the last time we had sex. He may have been doing something when we were together before that; but I wasn’t aware of it.
What drug/s? Just pot, though that was the most unbelievably fantastic pot I’ve ever smoked. I even asked him when I saw him later if there was something extra in it. He answered no, although he shrugged it off and changed the subject quickly like he often did.
I could to go into more detail now because sex with him was always great and interesting, for such a marginally experienced guy like I was then; but instead, I’ll leave it up to any subsequent posts here (in response) as to whether to describe more detail or not.
Given my experience with him, I think it’s pretty funny that those posting here only ever refer to Jon’s sexual drive as being motivated by money and/or drugs alone. That just wasn’t my experience. He was very, very sexual. He was seeking gay sex in a gay bar, and, NOT for money. Honestly, I wasn’t that much of a distraction to deter someone who had such strident motivations.
Further, I was finally motivated to respond with my comments here due to the comments of his family, ignorant as some of them are. You see, I discovered my own father’s gay past in 1992, twenty years after he died, in momentos he kept hidden all of his life. I’m talking about love letters with photos from when he was away in the military. Yes, these were from before he was married and while he was married. He drank himself to death by age 50. As his curious 39 year old gay son, I long for and would give just about anything to know that part of him, which I will never know.
If you really are Jon’s son or his son’s wife, you need to come to grips with reality. Denial is not just a river in Africa. To think for a moment that a totally straight man, from any background, could repeatedly over many, many years keep revisiting the gay world, for sexual release, for money, for drugs or for fame alone is simply stupid. Acceptance of people for who they really are IS what is most important. The jury is still out on whether or not genetics plays a significant role in determining sexual orientation. Like it or not, your son could be gay. Whatever his orientation turns out to be, don’t teach him ANY of the commonly-held negative things about homosexuality. Why? Well, if he is gay, you might be driving him into an early grave too. Gay-teen suicide is a huge, huge problem that is almost always swept under the rug. We are talking about the “real” facts of life here, nothing more, nothing less.
And of course, wouldn’t a world without such unnecessary hatefulness and self-destruction be what we all should strive for?
Thanks
I love Jon. The best in the world